kohls, amazon, toys "r" us, just to name a few. dagen: host chris wallace had a little trouble getting information from vice presidential candidate paul ryan on his tax plan. >> it is lower by 2013. >> how much does it cost? >> it is revenue neutral. [ talking over each other ] >> we will get to that. >> let me just tell you. it would take me too long to go through all the math. dagen: it would take too long to go through all the math. what does david stockman think of this? he is author of the triumph of politics. great to see you, as always. is that a mistake or the right way to go? >> it is pathetic. this is nixon's secret plan for years later. if they think they can cut tax rates and close these loopholes and expenditures, they have to name them. you have to be honest with the american people. they are being totally dishonest. somehow, they think that people will buy it. dagen: dishonest is a big word. mitt romney has alluded towards meeting to let congress -- this will be a comprehensive tax reform. >> if you do not tell the a